Has the Policy of Containment been Contained?

July 18, 2008 in International Relations | Tags: Diplomacy, Iran, Israel, statecraft, Syria, terrorism, United States | by S.C. Denney

Talks in the Middle East may indicate a shift in foreign policy doctrine:

U.S.-Iran “talks:” The U.S. is considering establishing limited diplomatic ties with Iran.
Israel Negotiates: A cease-fire with Hamas and a prisoner exchange with Hezbollah.
Syria engaged: Europe opens up to Syria and Israel conducts indirect talks.

It seems that there is a paradigm shift occurring amongst many of the Western nations, especially the United States and Israel. These nations could be experiencing an “ah-ha” moment in foreign policy doctrine. The paradigm that has been the driving force behind most of American and Western foreign policy for the better half of the 20th and all of the 21st century may be evolving. We could be witnessing a change from containment to engagement, from isolation to openness.

A foreign policy doctrine based on engagement could do well to combat the global threat of terrorism and Islamic extremism. Perhaps the best way to undermine Islamic extremism is by undermining their base of support by engaging the regions that they operate and flourish in, instead of isolating them in hopes of internal collapse. I suppose the greatest question of our time is whether Islamic extremism is a real confronting idea, so much that it challenges the authority and supremacy of liberalism? I have a hard time believing that it is a real challenge; I see it more as a nuisance — but a very powerful one, nonetheless. Powerful enough to eradicate an entire city if given the proper resources. A prudent shift in foreign policy could prove an adequate preventative measure.

Is this the right move? I think so. The policy of containment is an anachronistic policy of the the Cold War, whose efficacy was questionable then, even though the Iron Curtain fell. Furthermore, the world in which we live operates much differently than it did in the 1970s. We don’t live in a bi-polar world anymore. We live in a world with one really strong power (the U.S.), a multitude of other strong powers, and the rest (who are rising). A policy which seeks to disrupt the internal structure of states by strategically cordoning them off and neglecting to participate in peaceful, engaged talks to settle differences will not work in a world of many powers. Hopefully a foreign policy shift amongst the West will lead to more sound statecraft and better diplomacy in a uni-multipolar world (to use Hunington’s phrase).

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July 18, 2008 at 12:19 pm

David M. Manes

I think that the current shift that you identify can be traced directly to the failures of the Bush administration. The Bush doctrine of willful ignorance and disengagement lead to escalating issues with North Korea, Iran, Lebanon, and Palestine. The one place that it did get involved, Iraq, also turned out to be a complete disaster because of its illogical ideological basis.

July 18, 2008 at 1:19 pm

S.C. Denney

Ah, yes, the good ole’ Bush Doctrine. It will live in infamy.

July 18, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Karen L

Perhaps the US – Iran talks are a direct result of US military and diplomatic strategy in the Middle East. Maybe the Bush Doctrine is paying off. How exactly is Iraq a disaster? My husband served in Iraq, and I resent that characterization. Perhaps three aircraft carriers with their strike groups parked in the Persian Gulf for a while was a motivating factor in bringing Iran to the table, as well as diplomatic efforts by the Bush administration. Islamic extremism is merely a “nuisance.” Are you still stuck in Searcy? You’re probably not in a “target area” there. I was in downtown DC on 9/11. I drove by the Pentagon the next day. I can tell you, if you knew people who died that day or who have died or been seriously injured in the war in Afghanistan and Iraq you would consider them more than a nuisance. If this is supposed to be a “roundtable” blog, I wish you would consider all sides equally.

July 18, 2008 at 4:29 pm

David M. Manes

Thanks for commenting, Karen!

You bring up a valid point that the hard-line approach to Iran and saber rattling may very well have influenced them to cooperate. However, I think that the opposite is more likely to be true. Iran is not blind, and they can see that the US is completely unable to launch an attack on them right now because of our decision to invade Iraq. We are too tied up in Iraq and we lost too much international goodwill going in and there is far too little political capital within the US to support such an option. So, if Iran can see those things, it should make them even less cooperative which makes this shift in policy even more impressive.

Nobody means to belittle the casualties or the sacrifice of anyone in these conflicts. But personal connection is not necessary to judge something as good policy or not. In fact, personal connections have a way of clouding good judgment.

July 18, 2008 at 4:36 pm

S.C. Denney

Welcome, Karen! Thanks for commenting.

First off Karen, I would say that Iraq was a disaster and has only recently showed signs of success. I never said Iraq was a disaster. I just rang in with the implication that the Bush Doctrine didn’t bode well with the international community. There isn’t much argument to the contrary.

I’m sure your husband fought well. And I’m sure you made a great family sacrifice as well.

Secondly, I am talking about the Islamic idea, Karen — not the threat. As an idea, Islamic fundamentalism may or may not be a real threat. 9/11 was a travesty, no argument there. But just because terrorist hit our nation doesn’t make Islamic fundamentalism a dominant idea. It is indeed a security threat, but it doesn’t resemble anything close to the threat posed by National Socialism (Nazism) or Marxist-Socialism (Communism) in the 20th century. These two ideas were competitors at the national level, meaning they had the potential to become the leading ideology for states in the international system. You have to understand that I am speaking on a grand scale of ideals, not merely imminent security threats. My question was “is Islamic extremism a real confronting ideal, so much that it challenges the authority and supremacy of liberalism?” Do you really think it challenges the ideological supremacy of liberalism? I can’t honestly say yes. A threat, Karen? No doubt. But I don’t fear the fall of the West to Islamic fundamentalism.

There is an article written by the international theorist Francis Fukuyama called “The End of History.” I recommend you read this article. It would explain what I mean by a conflict of ideas. On top of that, it’s just a well written article.

Understand this, I am very sad for the people who died on 9/11. I am, in no way, stating that terrorism isn’t a threat to the life and liberty of Americans. Furthermore, I would never want to do anything that would diminish the value of human life. The lives lost on 9/11 deserve all the respect warranted.

And the Searcy slander has nothing to do with the question. But for the record, Karen, I am writing this from K St. Washington D.C. — the heart of the lion, to speak. So, you can’t pull the Searcy card on me.

Lastly, I think my analysis is pretty fair. I am not bashing Bush, or his policies — although there are many things I could say negatively about them. I am stating that it appears that many Western nations are taking on a new type of foreign policy — for the better. So, if anything, I am giving Bush some credit. That’s pretty considerate, don’t you think?

July 18, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Karen L

Thank you for your respectful responses. I was expecting a lot worse.

SC: I admit that the Searcy comment was below the belt, but slander? That’s a little harsh. I wanted to make sure you were approaching things from a “real world” perspective, not behind a school desk. K street? Congrats! That is the first time I’ve heard the lobbyist sector referred to as the “heart of the lion.” Usually it’s a different animal and different part of the anatomy, but enough about that.

David: “Iran is not blind, and they can see that the US is completely unable to launch an attack on them right now because of our decision to invade Iraq.”

I don’t even know where to begin with this. One air-wing on a carrier has enough fire-power to disable Iran in a matter of minutes. We are not unable. The only reason Iran shot off some missiles (”saber rattling”) recently is that the US carriers left the Gulf temporarily. Carriers leaving was a signal that military engagement was imminent. They wanted to show their muscles, however small. I don’t think that Bush is particularly concerned with “political capital” at this point, but I agree it would be unwise to engage with Iran. I think Iran believes this as well. If Iran felt like the US would be so consumed with the war in Iraq, why did Iran cease uranium enrichment shortly after the Iraq invasion? What I find amazing is that you seem so intent on following the party line, that you give credit to Iran for its sudden enlightenment, but give no credit to the Bush Admin.

SC: As for Iraq being disaster…I didn’t address you and David separately, because you two seemed to be so like-minded in your comments, but will do so now. “I just rang in with the implication that the Bush Doctrine didn’t bode well with the international community. There isn’t much argument to the contrary.” I think there was some in the international community who didn’t agree, but there were several countries who supported and continue to support the US. I don’t think that calling Iraq a disaster is accurate just because other countries with entirely different agendas happened not to agree with US actions. The recent successes you spoke of did not happen in a vacuum. Those successes are the result of the continuous efforts in the region since the invasion.

I think Islamic extremism as an idea is a threat. Islam is the second largest religion in the world behind Christianity and growing at a faster rate. Fundamentalism is a small, but potent percentage of that growth. The rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan is evidence of extremist potential. I think it poses just as much of a threat as Nazism or Communism, given the access to nuclear weapons that could kill massive amounts of people. Nazism and Communism was able to challenge the ideological supremacy of liberalism because the leaders gathered followers and conquered dissent not just through speeches and writings, but through violence, fear and destruction. Given such a large percentage of the Islamic world is under 25, therefore impressionable, poor, isolated and uneducated, if left unchecked, extremism could very well challenge the west. I believe the world underestimated Nazism and look what happened. If you don’t fear Islamic extremism as an idea is a threat to the West, how many people would have to die before you changed your mind? What would the body count be? It doesn’t just matter if your ideas are better, but if you have the ability to preserve and protect them. Thanks for giving Dubya some credit. He needs all the help he can get.

I’ll certainly check out the article. I’ll be sure to check out other posts. Thanks SC and David for disagreeing without being disagreeable.

July 18, 2008 at 9:40 pm

rodney2008

I agree with Karen

We moved from a strategy of containment to pre-emption after Sept. 11. So, you are about 8 years late on your whole containment analogy.

Also, the current state of “engagement” has only been made public as policy. We’ve been working with the Iranians for years for capitalistic endeavors. Our current public engagement is to soften the edges on our plan for a long term presence in the Middle East and Iraq. We also are trying to placate the speculation in the oil markets.

I recently visited Washington D.C. and can tell you I thought often about the inevitability of the next terrorist attack.

July 18, 2008 at 10:28 pm

jkkuwitzky

Islamic extremism is clearly a threat, but it is hardly a threat on the level of the Soviet Union. Both the US and the USSR had (and have) sufficient numbers of nuclear weapons of enough power to actually destroy not just each other, but the entire world. Each could end the existence of the other. There is no way that Islamic terrorists or belligerent nation-states, even if they got their hands on nuclear weapons, could threaten the existence of the US (Israel is another story). I believe that economic stability and the exposure to the personal liberties that proper globalization can bring are the most valuable weapons in liberalism’s conflict with fundamentalism across the globe. There is, of course, a military component to the process, but you cannot win what is essentially a battle of ideas and worldviews with bombs. Islamists of all stripes no doubt wish to extend the reaches of their power across the region and around the world, but they will never have the logistical capacity to do so. That is the biggest difference between the totalitarian movements of the 20th century mentioned above and this one. Fascism and communism were, militarily speaking, on the same plane as the liberal West. The gap between even the most advanced potential Islamist threat and Western militaries could hardly be more enormous. People’s emotions get involved when others describe violent acts with real human costs as a nuisance, but that is essentially what they are. A potentially deadly nuisance to be sure, but not something that can topple our civilization unless, by our cultural passivity, we allow it to (I’m looking at you, United Kingdom).

July 18, 2008 at 10:36 pm

jkkuwitzky

Also, Steven, why have you disappeared from Facebook? How are we supposed to talk about David behind his back now? Or, more likely, how am I supposed to bring to your attention this wonderful takedown of all things Naomi Klein?

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=69067f1c-d089-474b-a8a0-945d1deb420b

July 19, 2008 at 1:36 pm

S.C. Denney

Karen: I’ll have to qualify your statement that the recent successes in Iraq “are the result of the continuous efforts in the region since the invasion,” with stating that without a change in strategy (bottom-up movements and the surge) and leadership (namely Gen. Petraeus), Iraq would be worse off. If by saying continuous you mean “not withdrawing,” then yes, you’re right. However, I think mention of the change in strategy is warranted.

As to Islamic fundamentalism as a competing idea, I will just second Kolby’s words. The capability for Islamic fundamentalism to compete (and possibly) win as a dominate idea is weak, at best, despite the popularity of Islam as a religion. Most people don’t think al-Queda and Wahhabism is a good idea.

Kolby: After bouncing around a bit with the CATO people and some pragmatic Republicans, I have come down off of my Klein high. I still think her book is an excellent read and she does justice to the many who suffered under “the lost decade” in Latin America (and others throughout the world who suffered under brutal dictatorships). However, her thesis is a bit extreme; I am now perceptive enough to acknowledge that fact.

July 19, 2008 at 7:02 pm

Dora

Once again Rotsheld risks to wake up tied without paints, his children robbed poisoned and they would even be forced to prove that they are his children. Who is that freak? Where is my own father and where is his property and finances? I was treated in a very similair way. I also was robbed, forced to be at line of poorness. One and the same scheme was used. Is my own father so bad man? Or someone owed him very much? May be many people became trustees of my inherited assets, and yet used to think my inheritage theres? Where is my own father? And where are his assets and money? For such a complex operation with my finances they must have had someone’s help and support. Who helped them? Who devided and took my money?

I am the daughter of the man,whose face is identical to Joann Paul II. In Italy he is known as Tata Giovanni (Father Giovanni) .He lived in Rome and worked in the USA. I lived with adopting family in Yekaterinburg in the place of killing Royal Romanov family. Why? Who from my own family is a queen? My own grandmother? Or what does it means? Address was Moskowskaya street 9-31. In Moskovskaya street 9-20 lives Hussein family with daughter Aleksandra. My real name is Anna-Kristina-Aleksandra. What does it means? Who fined that information?Who really have aggression against Muslims countries and against Iraq and Hussein? I know that my own grandfather Naum was Muslims friend. And when he invest his money in Russia he took gold as financial guarantee. May be in Iraq and near Hussein my enemies searching that gold? I know that everything my relatives had they left as inheritage to me. I need to find, who has management of it in his hands, and which is the state of property and assets. I don,t know how my identity could be hidden, because I have unique right leg, which was disfigured from birth. This is my unique sign, nobody could be mistaken normally in my identification. Business of my own grandfather was oil and gas, casino and hotels of Las-Vegas. Own father too. During 10 years I was under strong financial pressing. And lived with my younger son for 60 dollars per month. Who became a manager and do that? Since October of 2001 till 2007 all the force of repressing machine was put on us. I have savage fascism in Lithuania in my own flat and in my own life and life of my son. We came out of there on our four. We have total control. Causes – multi billion assets in-heritage from my own relatives. Since 1993 year I was pressed financially at first, I lives with my son and we have 60-100$ for month. And even it is well known that a person is dead without money, my attackers didn’t stop – since 2001 year I had seven savage attacks on me on a territory of Lithuania – was poisoned with HCl, toxicoids,I was systematically trivially beaten, I had a traffic accident – was hit by a car on the pedestrians on green light for me, poisoned with hallucinogens and with my son pushed out to bogs in winter, where we have spent 3 nights. Those attacks started 3 weeks after twin-towers in the USA were ruined. They were ruined in 11.09.2001. I was born in 11.06 – month of twins-Gemini. More, the only citizen of Lithuania died in that crush, who was constantly living and working in the USA in twin-towers Jelena-Helen Gavriushina-Melnichenko – her mother was director of the school my children got education. Director of the school Gavriushina was born 6th of June. I have a friend in my childhood. Vladimir Vladimirovich Gaper. He was born 6th of June. Who is that friend? Everybody knows one Vladimir Vladimirovich, but he wasn’t born at the 6th of June. Putin is a friend of Kerkorian? Who is that my friend born 6th of June? I found that one. In the USA in Las Vegas. Kerkor Kerkorian. After reading his biography I saw that his owned MGM hotel, casino blown 21.11.1980. Interesting, that all those digits are digits of mine and my children’s dates of birth. More, even ID’s are the same. That friend was my own father’s and own grandfather’s manager? Why then the property wasn’t returned to me? Interesting that Bill Clinton had a nickname fly. After exact translating to Russian this mean to fly – as a pilot, a flyer. Manager was a pilot, a flyer. Why Bill Clinton, you ask?If bill – is billion, who clean’t billions then? Do you remember what is Bill Clinton wife’s name? Hillary Clinton. What is hillary clinton? Hi-Larry-Cleaner. Hello, Larisa who got in fly and cleaned… understand, yes? Monica Lewinski came into cabinet in White House at 28 of february 1997. Adopting family’s son Sergey Lopatinskiy was born 28 of February. Who knows what does it mean? In 10 June of 2006 in Diana,s Spencer family house resident of Russian special services Aleksandr Lebedev organized a meeting to memorize death of Raisa Gorbacheva. Michail,s Gorbachev wife died 20 09 1999. But 11.06.2006 I celebrated my 50 anniversary. It means all the strange recollecting organized just before my birthday. Why? How it is connected with the fact that 9 months before Raisa Gorbacheva died, 20.12.1998 died Jevgenij Bondarenko-son of Natalia Bondarenko who became also Lopatinska,ja after getting married with my adopting brother. It is she who is used to get my money without me to agree nor accept. Who helped her?
It is interesting that Bondarenko’s mother worked as medical staff in jail.And she didn’t ashame herself when she stole from imprisoned people butter and bed linen, which during that time was rare thing in Soviet Union. Later in Lithuania Mrs. Dalia Gribauskaite with the Bondarenko’s face became minister of finances of Lithuania. And was delegated to Bruksels for headquater of EU.Famous Mr.Idrak Dadashev in”Penki Kontinentai” Media accepted Mrs. Dalia Gribauskaite as a sex symbol of Lithuania.Natalia Bondarenko by herself – prostitute, dolly. Who knows what does it mean,when at post of minister of finances we see dolly? In the “Godson” film she was called “Bank of sperm”. So who was financed in Lithuania from my finances and from my own father’s (Tata Giovanni) finances? And who did that?
Why should anyone organize me credit, when my own father left me billions financing: who stole from me that financing? Who answer for that? Who should liked my money so much that I wasn’t even shown graves of my own grandfather Naum and own mother Dora in Italy. Nobody told me where is my own house which I knew as”Swallow’s nest” in Rome. Mr. Napolitano ignored my ask.
Bush, Primakov visiting Lithuania organized “accidental” meetings with me and my son. First used his security officers, second by himself. 11.03.2008 Poland visited Hosni Said Mubarak. 14.03.2008 we were proposed to leave Poland. We were getting by auto-stop in Italy. As well as we arrived to Italy, to Italy came Putin, who visited Poland and came to Berlusconi.Some years ago Berlusconi became Prime Minister 11.06.2001.In my birthday. What does it means? They have my money and business? They robbed me? They were so poor that needed my finances and my incomes? We live with son at street wearing some floor clothes. Was my father such a bad person? Is he blackmailed in such a way? Where is he now? Multiple applying to Silvio Berlusconi does nothing. What could be this person whom in my childhood I know as Silvia in Italy – my “mother” with wig and with man,s cigarettes, and which I must find if I need a defense and help? I know that part of finances former soviet agents transferred to someone in England. Queen Elizabeth and her husband visited to Lithuania (16.10.2006-18.10.2006)Jan Paul II became Pope in Rome 16.10.78. What Elizabeth and her husband need from me? After theres visit 21.10.2006 Hubertas Grusnys was killed, he was owner of radio stations and Lithuanian millionaire, whose radio Lietus a week before told about poisoning with toxicoids me and my son in our flat. In Lithuania for my financing and living my own father gave 10% shares of AO LUKOIL company to the oil company AB MAZEIKU NAFTA. For my financing in Lithuania responsible A.Brazauskas, B.Lubys (as everybody know Mr. Lubys is a friend of Mr. Nazarbajev), G.Chapanidze, V.Shkil. Mr. G.Chapanidze is in jail since 1996-1997. I was not financed at all. And didn,t ask nobody to sale or to present my finances or shares to anybody. I know that there are most of assets, which didn’t get in hands of those who robbed me. May be Mr. Alekperov knows what does it mean? In 19.8.1995 in Omsk died someone Ivan (Jan,Giovanni, Ioann) Lickevich. Do you know what does Lickevich means in polish? This is translated as calculate. What and whom calculated Lickevich?Ivan Lickevich was the director of the Omsk oil rafinery. In 3.7.2000 died with his son Gediminas Kesus.They are killed both. Gediminas Kesus was the director of the Mazeiku oil rafinery.When he was killed in Lithuanian newspapers was published information – some documents Gediminas Kesus put into some England bank. What the documents it was? Who started to kill the directors of oil rafineries and started putting the money into his own pockets? My money.In such way Lukoil go for another hands.Rats hands.
Another savage attack against me began 20.10.2002 – 23.10.2002. In 23.10.2002 – 26.10.2002 there was Nord-Ost in Moscow. My son and I had the same diagnosis as victims of Nord-Ost. Who do it? I have personal individual characteristic by which I can be easily identified – my right leg was disfigured while my mother was pregnant, and I was born with unique diagnosis. After many specific medical operations, my leg became passport, which couldn,t be forged. I demand to change my managers and carers, and I look for a country which could accept me and defend me.

July 19, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Dora

I am on prosthetic appliances since childhood: this is my own mark since
birth. The last time there were strange things in my life. have been poisoned, many
times bitten in different periods of time, there were traffic accident either.
I have been presecuted by unknown people as if I would be a big enemy of a
big person. But I couldnt even be an enemy: most of my time is with books according
to my phisical disability. This all was in Lithuania, Vilnius. Who could
know, who why and what reason makes such a cruel assault to me, threateaning my
life and health? I have been poisoned by hydrochloric acid, toxines,disfigured
my only healthy leg, I was beaten unmercifully not once,poisoned with halucinogenes
and pushed with my son out to bogs in winter,where we have spent 3 nights.
I know exactly about myself that since I have learned to read, I never put
my nose to anythingm except books, which are published millions copies. Obviously,
I am convinient object for slander and liers. For slander, non-limit, prejudice
- answer. I have a right to know who why and what for organiized all these
cruel things. Own up! Answer. Pay for. How do You think, what could be the reason
of such a cruelness: a) I am the only in Lithuania who is not an agent of special
(intelligence) service, as well as casual (stupid) b) I am a heiress of a
billionth capital, but somebody forgot to inform me about it c) some other
reasons I would like to find those, who think that honor and justice are
in prior. Who is not afraid to defend against scums.

The most important thing to me is to be safe against non-armed agression
in Lithuania, and justice in all forms to be.
I am looking for those, who – 1. would find the causes of the savage attacks in Lithuania against me and would protect either. 2. would recollect debts calculated for savage attacks and damages made to me. This would be made from all the dealers and managers of the attacks. 3. would find out and calculate an amount of my heritage. 4. would return all the stolen assets to me, plus, soap foam (dividend). 5. A person who would do mentioned, would become the manager of
my assets. 6. From every next my earned million would gain half for my defence
and my security. Me personally and my interests, as an addition to said.

Please, do
not drive just to look at us.But if you wish to stare very much at us then
let us do it for pay. My cost for one staring at me – is EUR1000 from each
person.Better say what is the problem, where is my own father, his friends
and my money.Does not it time to return them to me?

Where is my money. One of the most important – which sums and whom for they
were set by my father with the task of my finansing. For my finansing obligation was on the Lubys,Skil,Brazauskas,Chapanidze. How did they care about me? Threw away from work? Paid me 100S per
month? Is it the way they should care about myself? Now the main question how
much of the main assets were transferred, and where? If I do not mistake,
the mans who I am talking about really had care financially about me. They gave
me credit with the rate if 24% per year with the real estate guarantee. Now
they are is blocking process of returning the credit. Good commercial deal,
doesnt it-give me credit using my personal assets with the huge rates and
my real estate guarantees. Tell me, how should such mans be named? Who should
know about this financial fraud – please, consult me.
When I had been poisoned with hallucinogenes I didnt know where to go, in
my diary I drew dresses. I explained myself that when I earn money I put
them on myself. How I was surprised when I saw polish Playboy in train, with
my dresses. But not in draw, but in result by Chloe and Mexx. Please, who
knows that person, who dared to steal my drawings and sell to the famous
agencies of business fashion. Who is responcible for that, how do you think?

Variuos methods of poisoning us with hallucinogenes are used as in lithuania,in
poland.They are coming and putting hallucinogenes on carpets.But you can
still be sytrongly poisoned even if you are drinking simple cola which you
are taking by yourself in a refridge in various shop.This allows to think
about hypnose,most likely night one.

Everything was starting rather simply. Huge country broken, people lost job, me either.There were hysteria ALIENS GO HOME. With precision of clock engine I was thrown out from any job I worked.Exactly by the scheme you are alien,and that was logical.It was rather normally that wihtout relatives, connections, without being of an elite nationality, can’t do anything.
First real attack on me: savage disfunction of my only health leg – accident on the road.When those “accidents” became usual during short period of time,some man (don’t remember who) said me “this is an order”, “you have big enemies”.I rolled eyes widely and couldn’t understand where enemies from – I am a person who do not like and can’t do anything except reading books.But someone didn’t learned alphabet, and strongly hated to read. I was savagely poisoned by hydrochloric acid,chased on mogs,started to be poisoned by hallucinogenes.I run over security firms, with the help asks,when I was told there not to find out anything but to move out. Where should a person get money for moving out,when a person got about 60$ and regularry was thrown out from job? I tried to go to banks,but black information was quickly created,with magician’s trick ways for bank credit were closed for me.I became to look for a private creditor. Nobody gave without 24% year rate.I agreed for that.Than by the different reasons private persons became to change their’s mind and reject either.At last a man appeared who agreed to gave credit.I said him honestly – no money,butbu
First Datebut still want to try myself as a designer.I proposed business project.I was giving my flat and my work,he was giving his money.First of all I moved out from to cure myself after multiple poisoning and attacks.I stood myself up and returned to make project come true.But no way.It became obvious that there is no possibility to rent a room for me in Vilnius (nor it was,or rejected me,or threw out during short period of time).There were no where to live,no where to put our things.90% of things from my 3-room flat I gave to people as a present.Nobody let us with son live in except in hotels.Reconstruction of the flat was near military actions.Construction workers asked money from me,took prepaid sum,didn’t finish work or just went away.It was multiple sindrome of a long lasting nightmare.When one plumber threw in my flat expencive expensive units, with voice of ventriloquist moving hands stated that I have black aura,even stupid like me understood that someone is masterly mocking. Constantly, workers were leaving flat, I looked for others. At last reconstruction finished, neighboors stopped argueing,and I got little miracle.I didn’t beleive my eyes-my idea came true. My results were valued at first by my security firm.Fellows said it was great.I became to sell it.It was viewed more than 1000 times per month on the internet site owned by creditor.Everybody looked,noone bought.I was told that the flat was too expensive.The flat had price 15% lower than other.People became to propose price of an old abandoned barn.Another realtor from another lithuanian town arrived to vilnius to see my flat.He stated the price that he could sell the flat. The mentioned price was 20% higher than even my own optimistic.But realtor wanished. After that market of real estate was fallen in Lithuania.Some clever constructed buildings gyps-cardboard and became to sell it by normal price.All that time was chase on me,poisoning with toxines and hallucinogenes,arrests,beating,criminal cases.When we moved out to Poland with difficulties, creditor stated that he wishes to arrest my flat and would organize auction.I remind you that there are not only his finances frozen in that flat,but my work and my assets-my flat is my investition.Doing like creditor says,he just robs his partner.Who has right to leave me without my investments,project,design and ideas,my business incomes at last.What should be told and lied to organize the same repressions in another country, make me live on the street with hunger? I did everything talanted and more: I made my word and obligations come true.I think its time to say thruth: what is problem in? Is in my own father and grandfather who looked as Jan Paul II? They looked like him,or he looked like my own grandfather and father? After all attacks I may be have a right to know the truth.
Recollect debts for me from my enemies and return stolen assets. I publish account number. IBAN: PL69 1440 1228 0000 0000 0403 0672, S.W.I.F.T. (BIC): NDEAPLP2

July 19, 2008 at 7:06 pm

Dora

To Mr. Bronislovas Lubys
I am the daughter of the man, who had a symbol in Vatican and whose
face is identical to Joann Paul II. Tata Giovanni. During 10 years I was under strong
financial pressing in Vilnius. And lived with my younger son for 60
dollars per month. Psychological pressure, pressure to leave a job,
leaving without incomes and finances at all. Since October of 2001 till
2007 all the force of repressing machine was put on us: poisoning,
accidents, multiple threatening to life and health, prosecution
institutions.I have savage fascism in Lithuania in my own flat and in my
own life and life of my son. I was born in 11.06.1956. I am a
journalist. My real name is Anna – Kristina- Alexandra. I am an
impaired person since birth, and walk with the help of prosthetic
appliances. My place of living was Vilnius, Lithuania- my own father hid
me there.I don’t know why. But I know that Mazheikiu Nafta had 10%
shares of Lukoil, may be you know why? Or may be you know why you friend Brazauskas,father of twins, was the head of some company in Gedimino 11? I think you gave you word for one person,may be you don’t forgot about it? After queen Elizabeth and his husband’s visit to Lithuania
(16.10.2006-18.10.2006) 21.10.2006 Hubertas Grusnys was killed, whose
radio Lietus a week before told about poisoning with toxicoids me and my
son in our flat.What happened with my own flat in Vilnius? Who must pay
for that? Who must pay for all that savages and fascists things? And
where is my own father’s money? And where is his oil business that
he left in Lithuania? I am the only child of my own father and the only
inhariter.I did not present nor business nor money for nobody, I did not
asking that peoples to be the managers.Who answer for all of that?
Here is my bank account number. Please, help them to return all my money. I need my money Mr. Lubys.
IBAN: PL69 1440 1228 0000 0000 0403 0672, SWIFT BIC NDEAPLP2
This is for those who robbed me and helping to robbing me.
Thank you .