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		<title>By: PoliticalCartel.com needs your input!!! &#171; Liberty Forged</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3548</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliticalCartel.com needs your input!!! &#171; Liberty Forged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] i thought i&#8217;d staple my last few comments from kcross&#8217;s Let us in! posting. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3534</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.ericmargolis.com/
interestingly, eric margolis brings up the china connection with reference to the situation in Burma. 

(if anyone has been watching the news you have no doubt heard the negative coverage of china, often in parallel with russia. my first thought is NATO)

anyhow, margolis continues :
"This is the kind of operation that America’s armed forces should be doing instead of bombing tribesmen in Afghanistan and Somalia.

However, the Pentagon would very much like to oust Chinese influence from Burma. So would India, China’s Asian rival. The disaster in Burma offers an interesting opportunity to begin loosening the junta’s hold on power and asserting Western influence in a strategic, potentially resource-rich nation that has been in self-isolation from the world since the 1960’s."

ah yes, gotta love the state.....
http://www.mises.org/store/State-The-P285.aspx?AFID=14
And then he went on to define the state, or government, as "the organization of the political means," i.e., the regularization, legitimation, and permanent establishment of the political means for the acquisition of wealth.</description>
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interestingly, eric margolis brings up the china connection with reference to the situation in Burma. </p>
<p>(if anyone has been watching the news you have no doubt heard the negative coverage of china, often in parallel with russia. my first thought is NATO)</p>
<p>anyhow, margolis continues :<br />
&#8220;This is the kind of operation that America’s armed forces should be doing instead of bombing tribesmen in Afghanistan and Somalia.</p>
<p>However, the Pentagon would very much like to oust Chinese influence from Burma. So would India, China’s Asian rival. The disaster in Burma offers an interesting opportunity to begin loosening the junta’s hold on power and asserting Western influence in a strategic, potentially resource-rich nation that has been in self-isolation from the world since the 1960’s.&#8221;</p>
<p>ah yes, gotta love the state&#8230;..<br />
<a href="http://www.mises.org/store/State-The-P285.aspx?AFID=14" rel="nofollow">http://www.mises.org/store/State-The-P285.aspx?AFID=14</a><br />
And then he went on to define the state, or government, as &#8220;the organization of the political means,&#8221; i.e., the regularization, legitimation, and permanent establishment of the political means for the acquisition of wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3533</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what's ironic too is that the numbers cited above regarding displaced and dead are in similar comparison to the tragedy in Iraq. And although some are calling for immediate action to take root in Myanmar, the excuse in Iraq is that the situation could get worse if any immediate action is taken.....hmmm.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s ironic too is that the numbers cited above regarding displaced and dead are in similar comparison to the tragedy in Iraq. And although some are calling for immediate action to take root in Myanmar, the excuse in Iraq is that the situation could get worse if any immediate action is taken&#8230;..hmmm&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3530</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lifting sanctions might help!!
U.S. SANCTIONS AGAINST BURMA 
http://www.cato.org/pubs/trade/tpa-001.html

Salvation by Starvation
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/singleton-a2.html

besides.....
everyone knows the american military has far superior morals than ex-burma's
of course they won't let us in!! it would no dount become a place of peace and trade!!

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr120705.htm 
December 7, 2005 
"A policy that endorses peace over war, trade over sanctions, courtesy over arrogance, and liberty over coercion is in the tradition of the American Constitution and American idealism. It deserves consideration."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lifting sanctions might help!!<br />
U.S. SANCTIONS AGAINST BURMA<br />
<a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/trade/tpa-001.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato.org/pubs/trade/tpa-001.html</a></p>
<p>Salvation by Starvation<br />
<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/singleton-a2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/singleton-a2.html</a></p>
<p>besides&#8230;..<br />
everyone knows the american military has far superior morals than ex-burma&#8217;s<br />
of course they won&#8217;t let us in!! it would no dount become a place of peace and trade!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr120705.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr120705.htm</a><br />
December 7, 2005<br />
&#8220;A policy that endorses peace over war, trade over sanctions, courtesy over arrogance, and liberty over coercion is in the tradition of the American Constitution and American idealism. It deserves consideration.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: THE COWARDS BOW TO PRESSURE &#171; Thea&#8217;s news</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3526</link>
		<dc:creator>THE COWARDS BOW TO PRESSURE &#171; Thea&#8217;s news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] let us in  Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)DIRTY DEALINGSStorm Over Burma Could Spell Beijing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3484</link>
		<dc:creator>jkkuwitzky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the link to the Anne Applebaum column making the case for intervention, the more I think about this the angrier I get. The junta has forfeited any right to sovereignty that might have justified respecting their wishes (however rational they might be from a regime survival perspective). I don't know much about the logistics, but it seems like a massive airlift of supplies might be possible and a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the link to the Anne Applebaum column making the case for intervention, the more I think about this the angrier I get. The junta has forfeited any right to sovereignty that might have justified respecting their wishes (however rational they might be from a regime survival perspective). I don&#8217;t know much about the logistics, but it seems like a massive airlift of supplies might be possible and a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: gino</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3483</link>
		<dc:creator>gino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I’m not sympathetic to the junta, in any way, shape, or form. I’m just expressing why, to them, it is a rational decision to control aid in and out of the country."

I found this post and links an interesting read.  

What's going on in Myanmar is irrational to the outside world, but quite rational to the Junta.  

www.slate.com/id/2191196/?from=rss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not sympathetic to the junta, in any way, shape, or form. I’m just expressing why, to them, it is a rational decision to control aid in and out of the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>I found this post and links an interesting read.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on in Myanmar is irrational to the outside world, but quite rational to the Junta.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2191196/?from=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2191196/?from=rss</a></p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Denney</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3482</link>
		<dc:creator>S.C. Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sympathetic to the junta, in any way, shape, or form.  I'm just expressing why, to them, it is a rational decision to control aid in and out of the country.  Your statement isn't off the mark, at all.

&lt;em&gt;Indeed too bold? &lt;/em&gt;

My statement isn't outlandish.  IMF/SAPs sound familiar?  Polish Solidarity reforms, post-Cold War; S.E. Asian reforms, post-tsunami?  These types of reforms are typically introduced after a disaster.  It is ultimately disaster that ripens a population, country, or region for reform.  I'm not saying this is entirely a bad thing (perhaps it is entirely a good thing).  I'm simply making the connection that in times of great distress is the opportune time for real change and reform to occur.

Naomi Klein calls it the disaster-capitalism complex.  She throws a more negative spin on the concept; I'm not going &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; far.  I will say, however, that if the Western powers are allowed to enter into Myanmar, unrestricted, certain changes (political and market) will more than likely ensue.

Let me re-emphasize, for clarity's sake, that I'm not a conspiracy bent anarchist (or anything near to that), but I do think there's an opening for major change in the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sympathetic to the junta, in any way, shape, or form.  I&#8217;m just expressing why, to them, it is a rational decision to control aid in and out of the country.  Your statement isn&#8217;t off the mark, at all.</p>
<p><em>Indeed too bold? </em></p>
<p>My statement isn&#8217;t outlandish.  IMF/SAPs sound familiar?  Polish Solidarity reforms, post-Cold War; S.E. Asian reforms, post-tsunami?  These types of reforms are typically introduced after a disaster.  It is ultimately disaster that ripens a population, country, or region for reform.  I&#8217;m not saying this is entirely a bad thing (perhaps it is entirely a good thing).  I&#8217;m simply making the connection that in times of great distress is the opportune time for real change and reform to occur.</p>
<p>Naomi Klein calls it the disaster-capitalism complex.  She throws a more negative spin on the concept; I&#8217;m not going <i>that</i> far.  I will say, however, that if the Western powers are allowed to enter into Myanmar, unrestricted, certain changes (political and market) will more than likely ensue.</p>
<p>Let me re-emphasize, for clarity&#8217;s sake, that I&#8217;m not a conspiracy bent anarchist (or anything near to that), but I do think there&#8217;s an opening for major change in the region.</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3481</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The junta is afraid that a modern, efficient relief effort by an international force made up of states it instructs its people to fear would expose the gross incompetence of the ruling regime and thus spur further desire for democratic and market reform. 

And yes, I fear your prediction is indeed too bold. Perhaps reform is in the works, but I wouldn't be expecting it anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The junta is afraid that a modern, efficient relief effort by an international force made up of states it instructs its people to fear would expose the gross incompetence of the ruling regime and thus spur further desire for democratic and market reform. </p>
<p>And yes, I fear your prediction is indeed too bold. Perhaps reform is in the works, but I wouldn&#8217;t be expecting it anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Denney</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.com/2008/05/13/let-us-in/#comment-3476</link>
		<dc:creator>S.C. Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's understandable that a nation ruled by a military junta would be skeptical of "aid" from nations like the U.S.  It's unfortunate though that the people who suffer from this skepticism is the people in the need of the aid.

Unless there is some sort of hidden ulterior motive, it appears that the U.S. is more than ready to provide disaster relief to Myanmar -- an entire task force is awaiting Burmese authorization.  Perhaps what the Myanmar government is most fearful of is what will the task force (some 1800 U.S. Marines) do when the relief work is dwindling down?

Maybe this is too bold of a prediction to make, but I'll make it anyway.  If Western relief is allowed en masse, democratic reforms will soon follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s understandable that a nation ruled by a military junta would be skeptical of &#8220;aid&#8221; from nations like the U.S.  It&#8217;s unfortunate though that the people who suffer from this skepticism is the people in the need of the aid.</p>
<p>Unless there is some sort of hidden ulterior motive, it appears that the U.S. is more than ready to provide disaster relief to Myanmar &#8212; an entire task force is awaiting Burmese authorization.  Perhaps what the Myanmar government is most fearful of is what will the task force (some 1800 U.S. Marines) do when the relief work is dwindling down?</p>
<p>Maybe this is too bold of a prediction to make, but I&#8217;ll make it anyway.  If Western relief is allowed en masse, democratic reforms will soon follow.</p>
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